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Ryan Braun: Round 3
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#1 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 2:27:01 PM(UTC)

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#2 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 5:24:19 PM(UTC)
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Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me; fool me three times....not going to happen.

Time to fess up Brauny..
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#3 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 9:03:49 PM(UTC)

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I've gone back and forth on this for the past year and for the most part I really did think he was clean his entire career but I'm beginning to think that he is guilty. Either way, he was clean last season and had a monster year.
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#4 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 9:59:38 PM(UTC)
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newmen wrote:
I've gone back and forth on this for the past year and for the most part I really did think he was clean his entire career but I'm beginning to think that he is guilty. Either way, he was clean last season and had a monster year.


The latest list was written in April. If its legit he was not clean last year.
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#5 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 10:17:29 PM(UTC)

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john42 wrote:
newmen wrote:
I've gone back and forth on this for the past year and for the most part I really did think he was clean his entire career but I'm beginning to think that he is guilty. Either way, he was clean last season and had a monster year.


The latest list was written in April. If its legit he was not clean last year.


Why the heck would he go BACK after everything he went through last offseason?
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#6 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 10:28:52 PM(UTC)

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The reward for taking PEDs in sports way ouweighs the risk.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:54:37 AM(UTC)
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wlhssuperjake08 wrote:
john42 wrote:
newmen wrote:
I've gone back and forth on this for the past year and for the most part I really did think he was clean his entire career but I'm beginning to think that he is guilty. Either way, he was clean last season and had a monster year.


The latest list was written in April. If its legit he was not clean last year.


Why the heck would he go BACK after everything he went through last offseason?

Because the testing can't keep up with the PEDs. It seems as if it's a fluke when someone actually does test positive.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:06:32 AM(UTC)
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At this point the only people that believe him are complet brewer homers. I sure hope its not true but its really becoming a stretch. Innocent until proven guilty u guess though.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:26:41 AM(UTC)
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Doesn't anybody remember Braun stating numerous times that he has documented just about every single workout he's had for the past 3-4 years, and those workouts have pretty much shown that he's realized very little, if any, gains in strength? He's been platued during that entire time. If that is in fact true then either (1) he failed miserably in terms of actually benefiting from PED's, or (2) he's clean.

So if it's the 1st scenario, who honestly cares if he took PED's. If he took PED's but never gained any actual benefit from them, is he really "dirty"? That just means that he could have accomplished everything in his career that he has up to this point without using....
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#10 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:37:53 AM(UTC)

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I think all sports should add this penalty in addition to the penalties they have set for PEDs: For however long an athlete denies using PEDs and then said athlete is found to have used PEDs, he/she should be suspended for that amount of time.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:47:52 AM(UTC)
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riseagainst wrote:
Doesn't anybody remember Braun stating numerous times that he has documented just about every single workout he's had for the past 3-4 years, and those workouts have pretty much shown that he's realized very little, if any, gains in strength? He's been platued during that entire time. If that is in fact true then either (1) he failed miserably in terms of actually benefiting from PED's, or (2) he's clean.

So if it's the 1st scenario, who honestly cares if he took PED's. If he took PED's but never gained any actual benefit from them, is he really "dirty"? That just means that he could have accomplished everything in his career that he has up to this point without using....


Do you honestly think if he was lying about taking PED's he wouldn't lie about gaining strength?

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#12 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:28:26 AM(UTC)
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john42 wrote:
riseagainst wrote:
Doesn't anybody remember Braun stating numerous times that he has documented just about every single workout he's had for the past 3-4 years, and those workouts have pretty much shown that he's realized very little, if any, gains in strength? He's been platued during that entire time. If that is in fact true then either (1) he failed miserably in terms of actually benefiting from PED's, or (2) he's clean.

So if it's the 1st scenario, who honestly cares if he took PED's. If he took PED's but never gained any actual benefit from them, is he really "dirty"? That just means that he could have accomplished everything in his career that he has up to this point without using....


Do you honestly think if he was lying about taking PED's he wouldn't lie about gaining strength?


I was kind of implying that they could dig up his "documented" workouts as evidence... Yet, nobody seems to be bringing this up.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:31:56 AM(UTC)
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riseagainst wrote:
john42 wrote:
riseagainst wrote:
Doesn't anybody remember Braun stating numerous times that he has documented just about every single workout he's had for the past 3-4 years, and those workouts have pretty much shown that he's realized very little, if any, gains in strength? He's been platued during that entire time. If that is in fact true then either (1) he failed miserably in terms of actually benefiting from PED's, or (2) he's clean.

So if it's the 1st scenario, who honestly cares if he took PED's. If he took PED's but never gained any actual benefit from them, is he really "dirty"? That just means that he could have accomplished everything in his career that he has up to this point without using....


Do you honestly think if he was lying about taking PED's he wouldn't lie about gaining strength?


I was kind of implying that they could dig up his "documented" workouts as evidence... Yet, nobody seems to be bringing this up.


Why would anyone bring it up when they can make this "documented" workout say whatever they want it to was my point.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:36:38 AM(UTC)

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john42 wrote:
riseagainst wrote:
john42 wrote:
riseagainst wrote:
Doesn't anybody remember Braun stating numerous times that he has documented just about every single workout he's had for the past 3-4 years, and those workouts have pretty much shown that he's realized very little, if any, gains in strength? He's been platued during that entire time. If that is in fact true then either (1) he failed miserably in terms of actually benefiting from PED's, or (2) he's clean.

So if it's the 1st scenario, who honestly cares if he took PED's. If he took PED's but never gained any actual benefit from them, is he really "dirty"? That just means that he could have accomplished everything in his career that he has up to this point without using....


Do you honestly think if he was lying about taking PED's he wouldn't lie about gaining strength?


I was kind of implying that they could dig up his "documented" workouts as evidence... Yet, nobody seems to be bringing this up.


Why would anyone bring it up when they can make this "documented" workout say whatever they want it to was my point.


I can also write Ryan Braun's name on a piece of paper and put a check mark next to it. Doesn't necessarily mean he bought drugs from me.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:28:07 AM(UTC)

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john42 wrote:
newmen wrote:
I've gone back and forth on this for the past year and for the most part I really did think he was clean his entire career but I'm beginning to think that he is guilty. Either way, he was clean last season and had a monster year.


The latest list was written in April. If its legit he was not clean last year.

I must have missed the positive midseason test....
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#16 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:45:34 AM(UTC)
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spike64 wrote:
john42 wrote:
newmen wrote:
I've gone back and forth on this for the past year and for the most part I really did think he was clean his entire career but I'm beginning to think that he is guilty. Either way, he was clean last season and had a monster year.


The latest list was written in April. If its legit he was not clean last year.

I must have missed the positive midseason test....


I must have missed where MLB tested blood last year. It's not like they could test for all PED's.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:47:02 AM(UTC)
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bb211 wrote:
john42 wrote:
riseagainst wrote:
john42 wrote:
riseagainst wrote:
Doesn't anybody remember Braun stating numerous times that he has documented just about every single workout he's had for the past 3-4 years, and those workouts have pretty much shown that he's realized very little, if any, gains in strength? He's been platued during that entire time. If that is in fact true then either (1) he failed miserably in terms of actually benefiting from PED's, or (2) he's clean.

So if it's the 1st scenario, who honestly cares if he took PED's. If he took PED's but never gained any actual benefit from them, is he really "dirty"? That just means that he could have accomplished everything in his career that he has up to this point without using....


Do you honestly think if he was lying about taking PED's he wouldn't lie about gaining strength?


I was kind of implying that they could dig up his "documented" workouts as evidence... Yet, nobody seems to be bringing this up.


Why would anyone bring it up when they can make this "documented" workout say whatever they want it to was my point.


I can also write Ryan Braun's name on a piece of paper and put a check mark next to it. Doesn't necessarily mean he bought drugs from me.

Agree. That's why I clearly stated if the list is legit...
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john42 wrote:
bb211 wrote:
john42 wrote:
riseagainst wrote:
john42 wrote:
riseagainst wrote:
Doesn't anybody remember Braun stating numerous times that he has documented just about every single workout he's had for the past 3-4 years, and those workouts have pretty much shown that he's realized very little, if any, gains in strength? He's been platued during that entire time. If that is in fact true then either (1) he failed miserably in terms of actually benefiting from PED's, or (2) he's clean.

So if it's the 1st scenario, who honestly cares if he took PED's. If he took PED's but never gained any actual benefit from them, is he really "dirty"? That just means that he could have accomplished everything in his career that he has up to this point without using....


Do you honestly think if he was lying about taking PED's he wouldn't lie about gaining strength?


I was kind of implying that they could dig up his "documented" workouts as evidence... Yet, nobody seems to be bringing this up.


Why would anyone bring it up when they can make this "documented" workout say whatever they want it to was my point.


I can also write Ryan Braun's name on a piece of paper and put a check mark next to it. Doesn't necessarily mean he bought drugs from me.

Agree. That's why I clearly stated if the list is legit...


FWIW that wasn't an attack on you, just something I thought should be coupled with the last point you made.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:31:13 PM(UTC)

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john42 wrote:
spike64 wrote:
john42 wrote:
newmen wrote:
I've gone back and forth on this for the past year and for the most part I really did think he was clean his entire career but I'm beginning to think that he is guilty. Either way, he was clean last season and had a monster year.


The latest list was written in April. If its legit he was not clean last year.

I must have missed the positive midseason test....


I must have missed where MLB tested blood last year. It's not like they could test for all PED's.

So you're saying since they can't test for all PEDs, Braun(and all the other players, then) is on them and should be punished as if he tested positive?
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#21 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:44:24 PM(UTC)
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spike64 wrote:
john42 wrote:
spike64 wrote:
john42 wrote:
newmen wrote:
I've gone back and forth on this for the past year and for the most part I really did think he was clean his entire career but I'm beginning to think that he is guilty. Either way, he was clean last season and had a monster year.


The latest list was written in April. If its legit he was not clean last year.

I must have missed the positive midseason test....


I must have missed where MLB tested blood last year. It's not like they could test for all PED's.

So you're saying since they can't test for all PEDs, Braun(and all the other players, then) is on them and should be punished as if he tested positive?

No, I said if the list is legit Braun used PED'S last year. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that and how you can even argue that. The list was made in April. If it was truly a list of people that were supplied steroids, it means Braun was using last year. Unless of course he was buying them for someone else which isn't all that likely.
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At this point the only people that believe him are complet brewer homers. I sure hope its not true but its really becoming a stretch. Innocent until proven guilty u guess though.

And anyone who believes that the mass majority of big leaguers aren't cheating is living in a land of make believe.
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Does anyone know how many times Braun was tested last season?

And.....how many times did he test positive?



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Burden of proof is an interesting thing.

I assume most players are on something.

Testing positive is another matter.

Names on invoices is reasonably incriminating...but it doesn't prove anything, especially usage.

MLB has an interesting fight on their hands.

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Does anyone know how many times Braun was tested last season?

And.....how many times did he test positive?



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